Background information:. Rev. Clark went to Argyle, New York

2014 marks the 250th anniversary of the emigration of 300 Presbyterians from Cahans church, near Ballybay, County Monaghan, to America with their pastor Revd Thomas Clark. The organisers would love to hear from decendants of Cahans emigrants.
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Background information:. Rev. Clark went to Argyle, New York

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Dear Clogher History Society,

You may be interested in the following article about Rev. Thomas Clark. My cousin and I were each sent the following article by the Washington County Historical Society, New York [state] U.S.A. In that case I hope they do not mind me quoting it. Though I am not a descendant of his fellow travelers to America, I am related to two Harrisons who followed in his footsteps to Argyle, New York, about six decades later.

Rev. "Thomas Clark, 1722-1792, was a medical doctor and pastor of the Associate Presbyterian Church of Cahans near Ballybay, County Monaghan, Ireland. In 1764, Dr. Clark and about 33 members of his congregation sailed to New York. A few families were enticed by land speculators to head for South Carolina, but the main body traveled up the Hudson [River] to Stillwater to await the purchase of land. While in Stillwater, Clark purchased lot 10 from mary Anderson. He also purchased 12,000 acres in Salem, NY, and, by 1767, his congregation was established there." (MacN 325-6; Patten 356-7; WCH 352)". (I do not know which books these acronymns refer to. My source was Tom Mathews, e-mail, 10 February 2012. His source was the Washington County Historical Society.)

In the 1820s my relatives, Mary Harrison and husband Alexander Hutchinson, her brother, Arthur Noble Harrison of New York (not his nephew of Camoly Ball, County Armagh), and Arthur's wife, Jane Phillips went to Argyle, New York. There was a Phillips family in Argyle. Either at that time or in the time of Rev. Clark, there were about 200 parishioners. It must have been nice to land in place with such a large Presbyterian congregation.

If interested in more information about Rev. Clark's congregation or a particular surname, you may wish to write the Washington County Historical Society.
Washington County. Historical Society. 167 Broadway. Fort Edward, New York 12828 U.S.A.
Phone: 1-(518) 747-9108
email: Send inquiries to the above address.

There is a published history called, The History of Washington County, N. Y. 1757-1878. See p. 174 about Hebron.
Often one can read these histories online. Try google books.

Susan Brennan, Historian of Town of Argyle, Municipal Bldg., Main St., Argyle, New York 12809 U.S.A.

Argyle Presbyterian Church, Post Office Box 66 (or 48 Main St.), Argyle, New York 12809 U.S.A.. (518) 638-8072. The Secretary is Tonya Schmeible. On 9 October 2012 she e-mails me, "We no longer have these [church] records in our possession. Our church left the PCUSA a couple years ago to join the Evangelical Presbyterian Denomination. At that time we had to turn over all church records to our old Presbytery as they technically belonged to them. The PCUSA has a website and I believe the Albany Presbytery does as well but I am not sure where these records were sent to be stored. "

Lisa Jacobson, Senior Reference Archivist at the Presbyterian Historical Society [in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania], writes me, "According to Hall’s Index of American Presbyterian Congregations, the Argyle United Presbyterian Church in Argyle, New York, was organized in 1792 by the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church. In 1858, the congregation changed denominations to the United Presbyterian Church of North America. In 1988, the congregation changed its name to the United Presbyterian Church of Argyle. In 2010, the congregation withdrew from the denomination."

"A search of our catalogs shows the following records of the Argyle United Presbyterian Church in Argyle, New York, deposited in our holdings:"

"Argyle United Presbyterian Church (Argyle, N.Y.)
Records, 1788 - 1874. 0.33 cubic ft.
Includes: Reports, Minutes, Judicial records.
(Call Number: 90 0724d)"
" The records mentioned above do not appear to be the type of records that contain genealogical information."

Presbyterian Historical Society, Presbyterian Church (U. S. A.), 425 Lombard St., Philadelphia, PA 19147-1516
phone: 1-215-627-1852
FAX 215-627-0509<><>

For land deeds and wills and other archived material contact:
Mr. Dennis W. Lowery, Washington County Archivist,
Washington County Office of the County Clerk,
Washington County Municipal Center,
383 Broadway, Fort Edward, New York 12828 U.S.A.
phone: 1-(518) 746-2170.

I hope this helps someone interested in the Presbyterian exodus, following Rev. Thomas Clark.
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Rev. Thomas Clark went to Salem, New York

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There is an article about Rev. Thomas Clark at this link below:

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Re: Monaghans to Argyle, NY, and to South Carolina

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It was Salem, Washington County, New York, to which part of the congregation went (not Argyle). The other part went to the state of South Carolina, U.S. Where in South Carolina? Which town or county?

Part of my Harrison family were the Monaghans. Miss Harrison (dau. of James Harrison of Church Hill, County Monaghan, b. 1730s, died 1796) married William Monaghan of __. The William Monaghan may have immigrated to New York and may have lived in New Orleans, Louisiana, and may have had a son Gilbert Monaghan. Gilbert Monaghan is the subject of this (messy) e-mail. Here is what we know about Gilbert's living in Argyle (next to Salem), New York; Salem is where the congregation went. Eventually in the 1840s he was in South Carolina. And finally, it appears he returned to Ireland, leaving his wife and children in the U.S., in Smithville, New York, and in New Orleans, Louisiana. So you see taht Gilbert Monaghan lived in both places where the congregation of Rev. Clark went, Washington County, New York and South Carolina. Here are notes we have on Gilbert Monaghan, not written up yet. NOTE; no link has been shown between Gilbert Monaghan and his father, William Monaghan; they may not be son and father. I would love some help on that.

compiled by Chris Buck, Linda T., Polly Lynn, and IRE

We can form a time line of Gilbert Monaghan's life by studying the obituary of his daughter, Henrietta Monaghan. Caution: the obituary was not written by Gilbert's daughter, but most likely by his grandchild who never met him. This guessing becomes clear when the approximate order for Albany and Argyle are switched.

"YOUNG - In this city, on Monday 29th inst. Mrs. Henrietta Young, wife of Charles Young, Esq.

Mr. Monaghan, the father of Mrs. Young, emigrated with other relatives from the county Monaghan, Ireland, sometime previous to her birth, and commenced business in New York City, where some of her relatives Messers Harrisons, still occupy prominent positions in the commercial world. Some years before the birth of Mrs. Young, Mr. Monaghan removed from New York City to Argyle, New York, where in 1884 [date is wrong—CB; should be 1832] she was born. She afterwards resided in Albany, New York City, and in South Carolina. Returning North, she was married in Chenango County, New York to Mr. Young, he having previously been married, his first wife dying without issue. Mrs. Young leaves an interesting family of six children; her older daughters having arrived at maturity. The two younger are boys, one an infant of a few weeks. Mrs. Young was one of the noblest women with whom it has ever been our good fortune to be acquainted; and the loss to the children in the death of such a mother cannot be estimated. In every sphere of life she won the love and esteem of all who knew her. As wife, mother, or friend she had no superior; and her family and friends feel that her death has left a void that can never be filled." (Chris Buck, e-mail, 26 May 2013. Linda T., Find a Grave, memorial for Henrietta Monaghan Young, memorial 39617325. Unknown newspaper from unknown place, dated soon after 29 January 1872.)

1. You said that Gilbert Monaghan was the father of Henrietta Monaghan. How is it that you have come to that conclusion?

2. Did Gilbert Monaghan have any brothers and sisters?

3. Do you have a ship passenger list of Gilbert or did he come over too early for that? Henrietta's obituary said that her father came over with other people. Do we know who they were?

1. (born) or from County Monaghan, Ireland
By the way, we have DNA tested descendants from four Harrison families all of County Monaghan, Ireland. The first one tested was a descendant of James Harrison of Church Hill, County Monaghan, my third cousin. It is from this family that your and my genealogical research shows that you and I are descended. I should send you a map of Muckno Parish and the townlands, such as Church Hill, where James lived and where his sons spread out to.

2. immigrated before 1823 Albany directory (Try 1818.)

Gilbert Monaghan immigrated to the U.S. We know this from Henrietta's obituary. We do not know whether his parents [William and Miss Harrison] immigrated or not. When did Gilbert immigrate? The Henrietta obituary hints that Gilbert came with others. It says, her father "emigrated with other relatives from the county Monaghan, Ireland." I cannot say anything about the Monaghans for I know nothing, but below is when the various Harrisons immigrated. I think Gilbert Monaghan could have immigrated about 1818.

I have found a William Monaghan of New Orleans who emigrated in 1818. (His naturalization papers give this date.)

What were Miss Harrison's siblings doing? Also James Harrison had 14 kids (incl. William, Arthur, Mary, Thomas) and lots of grandchildren. Eldest son William Harrison bought a hotel in NYC [about 1817]. Arthur's daughter Margaret Harrison Foyle immigrated through Canada I think in 1818 to Argyle, New York, and her father Arthur followed in about 1827-1828. Her aunt Mary Harrison Hutchinson came just before Arthur in 1822. To New York City came Andrew also in November 1818. In New York City next came Colonel James Harrison, son of Thomas Harrison of Church Hill. In 1826 William Harrison died single and rather wealthy. To inherit from him it helped to be alive and already in the States. (For example his deceased brother John inherited nothing and so did John's children. Descendants in New Zealand are still not happy about the money their family could have lived off of, invested, etc.)

In 1828 (after William's death) to Smithville, Chenango County, New York, came three sons of James of Church Hill: James Harrison [Jr.], Joseph Harrison, and Samuel Harrison. In about 1851 after the Great Hunger came over the children of two more kids of James: Robert and George. But 1851 was well after Henrietta's birth, so I shall stop there.

NEW YORK CITY, probably briefly
Gilbert Monaghan lived first in New York City from the time of immigration through his time in Albany [christening of son William Monaghan]. Henrietta's obituary has that her father [Gilbert Monaghan] "emigrated with other relatives from the county Monaghan, Ireland, sometime previous to her birth, and commenced business in New York City, where some of her relatives Messers Harrisons, still occupy prominent positions in the commercial world."

ALBANY, NEW YORK by 1820, through 1823
Gilbert Monaghan lived in Albany, New York in 1820 and 1823 when he had two sons christened. In Family Search, Chris Buck found that "

a Gilbert and Jane Monaghan had two sons christened at the Third Presbyterian Church, Albany, NY:
William Monghan [sic], christened 12 November, 1820. (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch, Deeds of Chenango County, New York.)
George Monaghan, christened 30 March, 1823. [This seems like it would be the George Monaghan, bartender, who died in Smithville April, 1850, age 27.] (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch.)

1823 Klinck’s Albany Directory (Ancestry)
Gilbert Monaghan, grocer food/drink, 595 South Market Street, Albany, NY
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 7 August 2013.)

Lived in Argyle, New York, starting "some years before" the [birth of Henrietta in 1832]

1830 census has a Gilbert Monaghan in Argyle, Washington County, New York
1830 Census Argyle, Washington County, NY
Gilbert Monaghan
Male less than 5 – 1
Male 5-9 – 2
Male 10-14 – 1
Male 30-39 – 2
Female less than 5 – 2
Female 30-39 – 1
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 7 August 2013.)

In 1832 the family lived in South Argyle, where Henrietta was born, according to family tree maker.

Purchase of property in Argyle, Washington County, NY (Volume FF, page 390)
7/5/1832, Gilbert Monaghan of Argyle, Washington County from William and Grazell Christie
Purchase price $3,881.90
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 7 August 2013.)

Sale of Property in Argyle, Washington County, NY (Volume OO, page 360)
1/9/1836, Gilbert Monaghan and Jane his wife of the Town of Argyle, Washington County to James Shaw
Sale price $4,462.00
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 7 August 2013.)

Sale of Property in Argyle, Washington County, NY (Volume 5, page 202)
8/30/1842, Gilbert Monaghan and Jane his wife of the City of Albany to William Christie
(I didn’t record the sale price)
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 7 August 2013.)

Thus Henrietta's obituary is right: the family was in Argyle for her birth, then Albany. Overall, Gilbert was in Albany, then Argyle, then Albany.

1840 seek Gilbert Monaghan in Argyle (or Albany)

NEW YORK CITY, after 1842 sale of Argyle land while living (in 1842) in Albany
6. [[father Gilbert and] Henrietta lived [fourth and again] in New York City, after 1832 birth of Henrietta and after Albany (for second time).

In about 1842-1848 was Gilbert Monaghan in a NYC Directory?

SOUTH CAROLINA after 1842+ Albany then NYC then SC
7. [father Gilbert Monaghan and daughter] Henrietta lived [fifth] in South Carolina, well after Henrietta's birth in 1823, after Albany (1842) and until about 1848

In 1843 or later until 1848, was Gilbert MOnaghan in a __, South Carolina Directory? We do not know the name of the town. Perhaps Richard Weening does.

"Apparently Gilbert Monaghan returned to Ireland, and what happened to him I have not been been able to learn." (Don Armstrong, e-mail, 8 August 2013.) This would explain a lack of a burial site in the U.S.

Linda T. writes, "A couple of letters has Gilbert's wife being buried in LA [Louisiana], where Brownlee's had a couple of homes. One letter said they had no idea about Gilbert, but then one letter stated that he went back to Ireland, and was never heard from again. But there was no documentation to go with that." (Linda T., e-mail to Polly, 8 August 2013.)

In 1848 Jane Monaghan moved to Smithville, in 1850 she bought land, and in 1855 she called herself a widow. In Ireland had Gilbert died or he was still living? Chris Buck writes, "Jane said in 1850 she was a widow, but sometimes women did that even if they weren’t." (Chris Buck, e-mail, 8 August 2013.)

On 11 March 1850 Jane Monaghan bought a one acre parcel in Smithville for $700, part of Lot #37. [Lot #37 was in and around Smithville Flats.] (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch, Deeds of Chenango County, New York.)

In April Jane lost her [second son.] "George Monaghan, bartender, … died in Smithville April, 1850, age 27." (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch.)

1850 U.S. federal census [Smithville?]
Jane Monaghan, 48, born Ireland [so born about 1802?]
Henrietta Monaghan, 17, born New York
Terissa S. Monaghan, 11, born New York
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 25 May 2013.)

1855 New York state census
Jane Monaghan, 50, widow, born Ireland, res Smithville 7 years [So came to Smithville in about 1848]
Teresa Monaghan, 17 daughter, born Washington County, res Smithville 7 years [So in about 1838 the family was living in Washington County.]
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 25 May 2013.)

1860 look in Smithville and in Louisiana

On 12 February 1862 Jane Monaghan [of Saint Helena, Louisiana] drew up her will. (Chris Buck, e-mail, 28-ish May 2013.)

"Jane Monaghan, a resident of Smithville Flats, NY was presently living in the Parish of St. Helena, LA when she drew her will on 2/12/1862. Witnesses in New Orleans were William C. Holmes, John Hugh Smith, J.D. Brownlee, John Hay Ferguson, and P.O. Lowe. Executors of the will were James Ramsey, William McCray, and James J. Harrison of Chenango County. She died on 10/8/1864 (don’t know where) and next of kin were Mary Jane Brownlee, Henrietta Young, and Teressa S. Monaghan. She left the Smithville house, property, and furniture to Teressa Monaghan. Her property in Herkimer was to be sold, with the proceeds divided among the three daughters. Some outstanding debts due her were to be divided, half to Isabella and Mary Teressa Brownleee and half to Cecilia, Margaret, Jane, and Mary Young." (Chris Buck, e-mail, 28-ish May 2013.)

"It looks like she skipped the grandsons in this deal. The will was probated 4/22/1867. There’s another Letter of Testament file that I couldn’t open today. I’ll try again." (Chris Buck, e-mail, 28-ish May 2013. Familysearch.)

In New Orleans was executor
(1) Jane's son-in-law, James D. Brownlee, the husband of Mary Jane Monaghan, Jane's daughter.
In Chenango County, New York, were executors:
(2) James Ramsey
In 1828 the Ramsey family had left Ireland on the same ship as James Harrison [Jr.], Joseph Harrison, and Samuel Harrison. After arriving in New York City, the Ramseys and three Harrison families went to Smithville, where each man bought land.
(3) William McCray
William McCray married Margaret Harrison. I do not know how Margaret Harrisons fits into the family of James Harrison of Church Hill. I believe that Margaret was not James' daughter. Was she a niece or his granddaughter by John Harrison of Camoly Ball?
(4) James Joseph Harrison or J.J. was the son of Joseph Harrison, son of James Harrison of Church Hill (b. about 1730s). Thus if he would have been the first ousin of Gilbert Monaghan, if Gilbert was the son of Miss Harrison, daughter of James Harrison of Church Hill. And James had a a daughter who was Mrs. William Monahan.

Gilbert and Jane Monaghan's daughter, Henrietta Monaghan, married Charles Young. "When David Graham’s house and lot were put up for sale, (C.A. 4/12/1860), James J. Harrison was listed as Executor. The terms of sale could be obtained from Charles Young (Mrs. Jane Monaghan’s son-in-law). Then, the Young farm was put up for auction on March 28, 1863. This may be when Henrietta Monaghan Young and her family moved to Illinois." (Chris Buck, 26 May 2013.)

Mrs. Jane Monaghan died 8 October 1864 in ___ . (Chris Buck, will/probate, FamilySearch.) It appears from her burial that she died in New Orleans.

Donald Armstrong writes, "The wife, Jane (Harrison), did remain here [in the South] and was buried near New Orleans." (Don Armstrong, e-mail, 8 August 2013.)

Linda T. writes, "A couple of letters has Gilbert's wife being buried in LA [Louisiana], where Brownlee's had a couple of homes. One letter said they had no idea about Gilbert, but then one letter stated that he went back to Ireland, and was never heard from again. But there was no documentation to go with that." (Linda T., e-mail to Polly, 8 August 2013.)


Gilbert and Jane had children including:
1. William Monghan [sic], christened [in Albany] 12 November, 1820. (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch, Deeds of Chenango County, New York.)
2. George Monaghan, christened 30 March, 1823, died April 1850, Smithville.
3. [third] son born 1825-1830
3. Mary Jane Monaghan, born February 1828, New York
4. Henrietta, born June 1832 South Argyle, Washington County, New York
5. Teresa Sophia, born 1839 in Smithville, Chenango County, [a place I find odd for 1839 and this family]

The property [Jane's bought in 1850] was sold by Teressa S. Monaghan of Tangipaho, LA to Ephram Loomis for $1200 on April 25, 1867. [The notary was licensed in St. Helena Parish.] The property had been devised to Teressa from Jane Monaghan, NOW DECEASED. [Note to researchers: Don’t believe what you read on other people’s family trees.] (Chris Buck, e-mail, 27 May 2013. FamilySearch, Deeds of Chenango County, New York.)

By 1870, Henrietta Monaghan Young was in Illinois and it is her obituary that we have above.
1870 U.S. federal census, Pekin, Tazewell County, Illinois
Charles Young, 52
Henrietta, wife, 38
Cecilia, 15
Margaret 14
Jennie, 12
Mary, 11
Charles, 6
James, 85 [father of Charles Young]
(Chris Buck, e-mail, 25 May 2013.)

1. Gilbert named eldest KNOWN son William Monaghan. William was christened in 1820.
2. Greenwood Cemetery document (Brooklyn, NY) has that a Mrs. William Monaghan was the sister or half sister of Andrew Harrison, Arthur Harrison, Mrs. Alexander Hutchinson, George Harrison, ... .
3. Henrietta's obituary says that her father immigrated to New York with relatives. Obit also states that this father was related to the Harrisons who are still in business in NYC.
4. geography: NYC, Argyle, Albany, and New Orleans are all places the Harrisons lived. South Carolina is new for this family, but (a) Miss Dunn (James Harrison of Church Hill's first wife) had a sister who immigrated there and (b) Salem NY/Ballybay Co. Monaghan congregation of Rev. Clark split between Salem, New York, and South Carolina.
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6. link?


IRE writes, "The only record that I have is for a Church Marriage of a Gilbert Monaghan in 1835 in County Roscommon, which is in the west of Ireland. This does not seem to fit in with the dates that you mention as his wife whom he presumably married about 1819/20, as first son was born in 1820, did not die until 1864, see below." (IRE, 8 August 2013.)

Thanks for your interest in the Presbyterian congregation of Ballybay, County Monaghan that went to Salem, Washington County, New York, and South Carolina in the 1700s. I help the above biography on Gilbert Monaghan helps.
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Re: of the congregation of Ballybay who immigrated, many went to

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Cavan exodus,

OK, so Rev. Clark takes his congregation at Ballybay to the U.S. Some go to Salem, New York, but some go to South Carolina. Where in South Carolina did that group go?

I need to know where in South Carolina to look for the Monaghan family. (These Monaghans were also in NY state and in New Orleans.)

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Re: Background information:. Rev. Clark went to Argyle, New York

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If you go to

It has 30 pages of information on the South Carolina, U.S.A. part of the Cahans Exodus. Lots of sources cited too.

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Re: Background information:. Rev. Clark went to Argyle, New York

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In seeking Monaghans, I ran across three articles on the Cahans Exodus. In South Carolina key words used are Ballybay, Rev. Clark, and Abbeville County, South Carolina. The papers are at two institutions, the Presbyterian Historical Society in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Erskine Seminary in South Carolina.

Polly Lynn, pkljdl AT

Clogher Historical Society:
Cahans Exodus (from Ballybay Presbyterian to Abbeville County, South Carolina, U.S.)

Presbyterian Historical Society, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Porter, H. Leonard (Howard Leonard), 1945-
Destiny of the Scotch-Irish : an account of a migration from Ballybay, Ireland, to Washington County, New York, Abbeville District, South Carolina, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Preble County, Ohio, Randolph County, Illinois, and the central Illinois prairie, 1720-1853 / by H. Leonard Porter III [Winter Haven, Fla.] (P.O. Box 7533, Winter Haven 33881) : [Porter Co., c1985] [1st ed.]

BX 8946 .S37 P67 1984

Stevenson, Pearl M.
Keeping the faith : a history of Upper Long Cane Presbyterian Church, Abbeville, South Carolina, 1763-1976 / Pearl M. Stevenson. [S.l. : s.n.], c1976 (Greenwood, S.C. : Drinkard Print. Co.)
BX 9211.A14 U66

Erskine Seminary, P. O. Box 338, 2 Washington St., Due West, South Carolina 29639. 1-800-770-6936. Founded in 1837. Contact the archivist.
a paper on Cahans Exodus OR Ballybay Presbyterian and Rev. Clark
The paper used to be and may still be online.
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